[Clev-jug] RE: enuf

[Paoletta, Toni]

establishing posting guidelines might be a good thing~
saves the rest of us from 'listening' to grown men bicker :)

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From: clev-jug-bounces at lists.urbancode.com on behalf of Timothy Reaves
Sent: Sun 11/5/2006 10:18 PM
To: Rob Biedenharn
Cc: Cleveland Java Users Group mailing list
Subject: Re: [Clev-jug] [ANN] erubycon - Enterprise Ruby Conference,February 2007



On Nov 5, 2006, at 8:28 PM, Rob Biedenharn wrote:


	On Nov 5, 2006, at 7:37 PM, David P. Caldwell wrote:


		Rob Biedenharn wrote: 

			Apparently you didn't take the time to read it.  Do you never use any other language in your Enterprise Java projects?  Of course, the question is rhetorical because you most certainly use XML. 
			
			If any of your members are interested in learning how Ruby might be a good addition to one's toolkit, they just might be interested in what the speakers at this conference have to say since they know a thing or two about Java.
			
			[snip]
			
			I'm sorry that you feel that a single announcement about a conference that is certainly relevant to some of you members is SPAM, but I won't apologize for attempting to inform you and your other members.
			

		Hi, Rob.
		
		No need to get snippy -- the poster has a point.  The fact that this is "relevant to some of you [sic] members" is not sufficient.  Some of the list members might well be interested in, say, information about candidates in the upcoming election in Ohio.  Or my poetry (they'd have extraordinarily poor taste if they were, but I digress).  But this list is not the place for those things, and I assume you would agree.  The fact that the speakers "know a thing or two about Java" is also not sufficient -- I know a thing or two about Java, but I didn't invite this list to my recent training on how to win an election campaign, because it's not related to the purpose of the list.
		
		You lose points for self-promotion, since you're involved with the conference -- someone who had no self-interest would have a stronger argument for bringing up "hey, I heard about this thing -- I know it's a little off-topic, but I'm going, and it looks like Bruce Tate is coming.  I've read his books and they're interesting."
		
		So the question is, is it relevant enough?  My vote would actually be "no."  Then I would add that opening any list to be a vehicle for self-promotion would, I fear, quickly cause self-promotion to outrun ordinary list traffic, so I'd especially vote "no" here.  
		
		That said (writing to everyone else here), there are really no rules on the use of this list (that I know of) -- maybe we could make some?
		
		-- David.
		


	Timothy and David,

	If not for a bit of self-interested promotion, how would anyone ever hear about conferences and training opportunities like this?  I hope your members can evaluate for themselves whether the announcement held any value for them.  I won't take up any more list bandwidth on this.

	-Rob



You're trying to make money, pure and simple.  If members of this list are interested in self education, and feel Ruby is a means to that end, contrary to your opinion they'll be intelligent enough to figure that out without your spam.  And you know what?  Every other spammer out there has the same self righteous attitude about as you do. "Oh, I'm just informing the public!"

Take it elsewhere.


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