[Clev-jug] RE: Clev-jug Digest, Vol 42, Issue 6

[Meil, Doug]

We just hired somebody due to a Cleve-JUG job posting, and I think that
eliminating all job-postings would be extremely ill-advised.  

Could there be separate "cleve-jug-jobs" dist-list?  If you want to be
on it, then join it.  If not, then don't join.

Career opportunities are, in my opinion, an integral part of any Java
Users Group.  It also is an indication of the economic vibrancy of the
area.  If we are trying to tell people that there are no Java careers in
Northeast Ohio, then banning all job postings would be a great idea.

~dm

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   1. RE: Job Postings on the List -- Need Ideas (Adams, Michael)
   2. Re: Job Postings on the List -- Need Ideas (David P. Caldwell)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:51:21 -0400
From: "Adams, Michael" <mike.adams at waslabs.com>
Subject: RE: [Clev-jug] Job Postings on the List -- Need Ideas
To: "Cleveland Java Users Group mailing list"
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Hey Maciej (and all),

The Cleveland WebSphere User Group receives the same kind of
solicitations for job postings. And rather than sending the
solicitations on to the group via email thus forcing the group to weed
through the mails, we created a free site for the solicitors to post
their job openings.

The site is really simple and anyone can use the RSS syndication feeds
to see what has been posted recently (we also include Salary Guides,
Resume help, etc.).

The Java group is more than welcome to use the site to curb the
unsolicited email as well as provide a career resource for the Java
Group.

If you would like more info on providing those that wish to post jobs on
the site, just shoot me an email.

To view the WebSphere and Java Career Resource site, go to
http://www.webspherecareers.com

Regards

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MICHAEL ADAMS
Chief WebSphere Technologist
330.348.1544 / direct
mike.adams at waslabs.com
 
WAS Labs, LLC
www.waslabs.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: clev-jug-bounces at lists.urbancode.com [mailto:clev-jug-
> bounces at lists.urbancode.com] On Behalf Of Maciej Zawadzki
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:14 PM
> To: Cleveland Java Users Group mailing list
> Subject: [Clev-jug] Job Postings on the List -- Need Ideas
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I am tempted to ban all job postings from the list, but perhaps that
> would be over reacting.  If any member of the JUG has actually gotten
> a job via these postings, then we should probably let the job
> postings continue.  So, if you have gotten a job through the list,
> please let me know.  If I don't receive at least one email from a JUG
> member that has gotten a job from the job postings by the end of the
> week, we'll ban all job postings on the list.
> 
> I personally don't think that the job postings are very effective for
> anyone, either the organizations looking to hire or the people
> looking for work.  The postings sure have become annoying.  But I am
> willing to be proven wrong on the issue of their effectiveness.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Maciej
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:59:27 -0400
From: "David P. Caldwell" <inonit at inonit.com>
Subject: Re: [Clev-jug] Job Postings on the List -- Need Ideas
To: Cleveland Java Users Group mailing list
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Maciej Zawadzki wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I am tempted to ban all job postings from the list, but perhaps that 
> would be over reacting.  If any member of the JUG has actually gotten 
> a job via these postings, then we should probably let the job postings

> continue.  So, if you have gotten a job through the list, please let 
> me know.  If I don't receive at least one email from a JUG member that

> has gotten a job from the job postings by the end of the week, we'll 
> ban all job postings on the list.
Maciej:

I think we've evolved to the point where advertising of one kind or 
another is the primary use of the list.  You might recall that I tried 
to foment a constructive discussion about this (after a Ruby conference 
promoter and an angry anti-spam recipient started shouting at each 
other) a few months back, but to little avail; I just got caught in a 
cross-fire (which is why I reply via private E-mail).

I myself think the various conference promotion E-mails are even less 
appropriate than the job ones, just because they are more clearly 
self-interested (and the people on the list have a less obvious 
self-interest in receiving them).  So I'd actually ban those first.

But if it were up to me, I'd ban 'em all.  I am sympathetic to the 
motivation behind the suggestion that a new list could be set up for 
this stuff, but I can imagine there are lots of other lists one could 
get on to do that.  (Or just call all the recruiters yourself.)  I 
signed up for the user group list to hear about the user group, not hear

about whatever someone with an interest in reaching us might want us to 
hear about.

-- David.


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